| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 25 08:57:45 2002 |
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| --> Bagder (~daniel@217.215.72.110) has joined #rockbox |
| <Bagder> hey |
| --- adiamas has changed the topic to: hacking the Archos Jukebox http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ |
| <adiamas> hey there... |
| <adiamas> i was about to call it a night and head to sleep |
| <adiamas> didn't expect anyone in this quick :) |
| <Bagder> hehe, its morning here ;-) |
| <adiamas> hehe i _just_ sent the email like 30 secs ago :) |
| <Bagder> yeps |
| <Bagder> hehe |
| <adiamas> glad to see someone saw it... |
| <adiamas> you located in europe... |
| <Bagder> yes |
| <adiamas> where in? |
| <Bagder> Sweden |
| <adiamas> hehe well.. your first in so.. here |
| --- adiamas gives channel operator status to Bagder |
| <Bagder> :-) |
| <adiamas> someone who's awake should have some control... |
| <Bagder> I'm Björn's brother actually |
| <adiamas> ahh... hehe seems he got followers pretty quickly. |
| <Bagder> indeed |
| <adiamas> and pretty varied at that... Im here in the USA. |
| * adiamas shrugs |
| <Bagder> there are 77 subscribers of the mailing list |
| <adiamas> wow, that was quick |
| <adiamas> only been 3-4 months yes? |
| <Bagder> yeah, since about december |
| <Bagder> BTW, I think making a FAQ sounds like a great idea |
| * adiamas smiles happily |
| <adiamas> im just not to sure on how technical to go on it, but i figure even something is a start |
| <adiamas> will you be sitting in the room most the day or you plan on logging off? |
| <Bagder> exactly, just start somewhere and it'll grow into place |
| <Bagder> I don't know |
| <adiamas> i really need sleep. work in 6 hours. |
| <adiamas> ok... |
| <adiamas> im going to idle till i get up for work |
| <adiamas> ill see you later |
| <Bagder> see ya |
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| --- Bagder sets mode +t #rockbox |
| <adiamas|sleeping> what is mode +t? |
| <Bagder> prevent non-ops to set topic |
| <adiamas|sleeping> ahhh... k |
| <adiamas|sleeping> gotta learn that stuff... |
| * Bagder is an old IRC-bot author... :-) |
| <adiamas|sleeping> heheh i only started on irc about a year ago... |
| <Bagder> I stopped writing the bot many years ago... |
| <Bagder> first time on irc was 1993 |
| <adiamas|sleeping> i was just getting into computers at that point |
| <adiamas|sleeping> i miss that old 1200 modem |
| <Bagder> :-) |
| <Bagder> now go to sleep! ;-) |
| <adiamas|sleeping> hehehe |
| <adiamas|sleeping> nite |
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| <wavey> anyone awake? |
| <Bagder> yeps |
| <wavey> coolio |
| <wavey> how you doing? |
| <Bagder> pretty good. You? |
| <wavey> yup |
| <wavey> you interested in coding for the archos then? |
| <Bagder> I am, and I intend to ;-) |
| <wavey> likewise.. |
| <wavey> got the player or recorder? |
| <wavey> or both? |
| <Bagder> recorder, I'm Daniel who posted to the mailing list just an hour ago |
| <wavey> aha |
| <wavey> nice to meet you :) |
| <wavey> i mailed out a few qs to the list several weeks ago |
| <Bagder> name? |
| <wavey> stuart martin |
| <Bagder> right, I read them ;-) |
| <wavey> the archos is pretty funky, but flaky as shit |
| <wavey> mine's got a dodgy contact in the earphone socket |
| <wavey> probably going to resolder it |
| <Bagder> I just got mine, haven't really had time to do much yet ;-) |
| <wavey> i do love it |
| <wavey> but i just wish it had sony's build |
| <Bagder> I'll get the serial port hack soon and start coding it |
| <wavey> interesting to hear you got 8 cells.. |
| <Bagder> Linus has a fully working gdb stub now |
| <wavey> yeah, very impressed to read that |
| <wavey> i know *no* electronics.. |
| <wavey> i'm waiting for the low-level shit to be completed :) |
| <wavey> then i can start helping |
| <Bagder> hehe |
| <wavey> :) |
| <Bagder> I'm not *that* low-level myself, I start on assembler ;-) I can't do much electronics |
| <wavey> heh, assembler i'm happy with. |
| <wavey> working out which wire to cut, i'm not :) |
| <Bagder> I think that makes us on the same level more or less ;-) |
| <wavey> groovy |
| <wavey> the UI is going to be interesting |
| <Bagder> luckily we have those guys around us to work out those stuff |
| <wavey> i think we should maybe list the features we want and start prioritising them |
| <wavey> then start mocking up UI images |
| <Bagder> yeah |
| <wavey> should be fun working with small screen realestate |
| <Bagder> I would like to write some kind of UI simulator |
| <wavey> interesting.. go on |
| <Bagder> to enable us to work on UI stuff without having to bother with the actual hardware |
| <wavey> yup |
| <wavey> cool idea |
| <wavey> i guess we'll need to pre-empt the low level services available to the UI |
| <Bagder> I'm a Linux dude myself, so I'd go for a X-display |
| <wavey> me too |
| <wavey> although i find windoze usable too with enough cywin and emacs layers on top ;) |
| <Bagder> the UI stuff would be built-up with a minor set of graphics functions, and we could probably just replace those functions with a set that draws X instead |
| <wavey> is this channel logged? |
| <wavey> could be useful |
| <Bagder> I log it |
| <wavey> coolio |
| <Bagder> I think I have some basic X11-code that pops up a window and allows me to draw in it, which could be a start |
| <wavey> cool |
| <wavey> how long until it reads mail and displays webpages too? ;) |
| <Bagder> *g* |
| <Bagder> if we just get enough people to join in, there's nothing to stop us ;-) |
| <wavey> damn right :) |
| <wavey> the player/recorder screen diffs are a shame |
| <Bagder> yes indeed |
| <wavey> i wonder if project focus will be on the recorder |
| <wavey> or the player |
| <wavey> bjorn's initial investigations were on the player |
| <Bagder> yeps |
| <Bagder> but now he has both |
| <wavey> but he bought a recorder iirc |
| <wavey> yeah cool |
| <Bagder> and so does Linus |
| <wavey> cool |
| <Bagder> and Björn's player CPU is damaged ;-) |
| <wavey> heh |
| <Bagder> or should I say :-( |
| <wavey> how'd he damage the cpu? |
| <Bagder> the serial port is broken |
| <Bagder> it isn't normally used, so he hasn't noticed |
| <wavey> what timezone you in? |
| <wavey> i'm in london |
| <Bagder> Sweden, +1 from you |
| <wavey> you friends with linus and bjorn? |
| <wavey> or just coincidence? |
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| <wavey> shit |
| <Bagder> yeah, Björn's my brother and Linus is an old time friend. We work at the same company |
| <wavey> aha :) |
| <Bagder> all three opf us |
| <wavey> i work as a j2ee consultant for a company with a swedish office |
| <wavey> we got some of them over here now cos the market in .se is pretty weak |
| <Bagder> yes it seems to be |
| <Bagder> I'm doing embedded/realtime programming as a consultant |
| <wavey> cool |
| <wavey> which processor? |
| <Bagder> right now, StrongARM |
| <wavey> cool |
| <wavey> i've only done 68K assembler but loved it |
| <Bagder> arm assembler in general is cool, it has conditionals on *all* instructions |
| <wavey> madness :) |
| <Bagder> hehe, yeah |
| <wavey> I moved into OO years ago, and wouldn't go back |
| <wavey> pure elegance |
| <wavey> (if you get it right) :) |
| <Bagder> hehe, so they say... :-) |
| <wavey> how far would you wanna see this simulator go? |
| <wavey> button presses triggering song launching/pausing etc? |
| <Bagder> it all comes down to much much we feel its worth |
| <wavey> aye |
| <wavey> i think perhaps the first stage might be to sketch UI ideas |
| <Bagder> we could probably make more or less a complete simulator, should we want and have the eneergy |
| <Bagder> yes |
| <wavey> and that means identifiying the key aspects |
| <wavey> and voting on inclusion |
| <wavey> or doing a bjorn and ignoring the votes :) |
| <Bagder> we can start on UI basics and ideas first, without even think code |
| <Bagder> hehe |
| <wavey> ok |
| <wavey> how about throwing that to the mail list |
| <wavey> give us your wants |
| <wavey> or perhaps we can envisage most of that already |
| <wavey> toggle m3u display/filename |
| <wavey> scrolling/non scrolling |
| <wavey> level meters |
| <wavey> time |
| <wavey> power |
| <wavey> mode |
| <wavey> vol |
| <wavey> button names |
| <wavey> eyecandy plugins |
| <Bagder> imho, we must focus on getting the basic stuff there first, to allow us to play songs as that would help the guys working on those parts (mp3, filesystem etc) |
| <wavey> of course |
| <wavey> but a basic UI is trivial |
| <wavey> just a button label |
| <Bagder> yes, that's true |
| <wavey> while they are developing that |
| <wavey> we can look to the medium term |
| <Bagder> right |
| <wavey> and of course, we need emacs ported to it :) |
| * Bagder grins |
| <wavey> i remember when i started coding for the gameboy advance people started talking about porting linux |
| <wavey> so so funny |
| <Bagder> feel free to post a summary to the list, could be useful |
| <wavey> but it always happens :) |
| <Bagder> yes it does |
| <Bagder> it'll happen here too soon :-) |
| <wavey> did you fill your 20GB capacity yet? |
| <wavey> i did mine in an hour and a half :) |
| <Bagder> heh, no, but I don't really use it yet either |
| <wavey> bought a usb 2 pci card |
| <Bagder> I stream mp3 from my home-box to work |
| <wavey> i haven't had mine from my side since i bought it in january |
| <Bagder> I've ordered a usb2 card too |
| <Bagder> I finally bought mine now since I was supposed to stop my project here and thus I wasn't sure I could still listen to my stream, but now I've got another assignment at the same palce so I can continue listening to it... |
| <wavey> heh |
| <wavey> typical |
| <Bagder> well, I want to code it anyway, so I guess that'll be my primary use for it ;-) |
| <wavey> i prefer to use the recorder despite being in front of a computer because it means i get more bandwidth.. |
| <wavey> and i can get up and move around without killing the sound |
| <Bagder> :-) |
| * Bagder runs for more coffee |
| <wavey> i've always hated stopping music :) |
| <wavey> i'll leave the cd player running when i leave the house sometimes. stupid huh? :) |
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| <wavey> howdy |
| <gizz> heya ! |
| <Bagder> g'day |
| <gizz> did I miss some hot talks ?? :) |
| <wavey> not really |
| <wavey> that's on #sex |
| * wavey chuckles |
| <gizz> hehe |
| <wavey> or perhaps #hotsex |
| <gizz> you => Juke hacker ? |
| <Bagder> we're wannabe archos hackers ;-) |
| <gizz> great! |
| <gizz> player or recorder ? |
| <gizz> => I'm a poor player owner, |
| * Bagder has a Recorder |
| <wavey> recorder also |
| <wavey> we've been discussing some ideas for the UI |
| <wavey> but nothing really worthy of capture yet |
| <gizz> ok |
| <gizz> problem is, |
| <gizz> to me player & recorder are very different |
| <wavey> yus |
| <wavey> shame |
| <Bagder> yes, we'll need to make two UIs as they'll be quite different |
| <gizz> but is it worth it ? |
| <gizz> I mean, |
| <gizz> does player owe to be supported ever ? |
| <wavey> well, if people here want to support it, it'll be supported.. |
| <wavey> the underlying functions of the firmware will be mostly similar between the two |
| <gizz> right! |
| <Bagder> indeed, and except for display+keys, msot of the internals are the same |
| <wavey> need a UI strategy |
| <wavey> the recorder is likely to be supported better because it's cooler.. |
| <wavey> (UI) anyway |
| <gizz> good point |
| <gizz> So, |
| <gizz> UI guys |
| <gizz> should make good design decision, |
| <gizz> in order for the to Juke-races to be supported, at least |
| <gizz> at low level, |
| <wavey> juke-races? |
| <gizz> races : sorts |
| <wavey> ok |
| <gizz> hmm, models.. :) |
| <wavey> understood :) |
| <gizz> .. but at UI level, |
| <gizz> they will be supported (very) differently, |
| <wavey> aye |
| <gizz> and of cours, recorder owners will be happier :) |
| <gizz> One thing : |
| <gizz> on my player, when pleying with custom chars (font) |
| <gizz> I tried to draw two bitmaps through thos custom chars, |
| <gizz> (as if custom chars datas where some sort of 'video memory') |
| <gizz> and then, I thought we could just modify this 'video memory' at will, |
| <gizz> to simulate some pixel screen |
| <gizz> but the result wasn't quite good (many pixels where too far from each other, due to space between chars) |
| <gizz> That's all... :) |
| <gizz> Did you try to draw some stuff on your recorder ? |
| <wavey> nope |
| <wavey> I compiled the player firmware on my box, but haven't tried a recorder one |
| <Bagder> I just got mine, I intend to get the gdb-stub approach working first |
| <gizz> ok; If recorder prices get lower, I think I'll move to it |
| <wavey> gizz: nice idea with the video memory |
| <gizz> vid mem : well, in all cases, that would produce an 14 * 55 screen :) (if I remember well) |
| <wavey> 14 pixels is pretty damn limiting :) |
| <Bagder> amen |
| <wavey> remind me what the recorder has? |
| <gizz> oh |
| <wavey> time to mock up some screens to get the juices flowing |
| <gizz> maybe 131 * 64 or better ?? |
| <Bagder> 112x64 |
| <gizz> cool resolution !! |
| <gizz> (slightly less than HP48 ;o) |
| <Bagder> can't wait to get some games going ;-) |
| <gizz> If only I had a recorder, I could try to port some |
| <gizz> nifty HP48 100% assembly games :o) |
| <Bagder> hehe |
| <gizz> (with scrolling, sprites, grey level, etc.. :) |
| <Bagder> it has sprites? |
| <gizz> Never played Columns II on HP48 ?? |
| <gizz> sprites : yes ! |
| <Bagder> gosh |
| <gizz> what about : Arkanoid, Skweeks, |
| <gizz> Xennon, |
| <gizz> or even : Doom, grey-level, with monsters, textures, and multiplayers ? |
| <gizz> (well, two players, with serial cable) |
| <Bagder> nah, let's aim for PPP over the USB and have full internet access ;-) |
| <gizz> LOL |
| <gizz> hey, I've got an idea : I'm gonna try the grey-level tricks tonight, just to see if it works :)à |
| <gizz> you at home, or at work ? |
| <Bagder> work |
| * gizz too :) |
| <Bagder> ssh'ed to home |
| <gizz> cool ! |
| <gizz> => i'll back later then.. :) |
| <gizz> bye ! |
| <Bagder> bye |
| <-- gizz has quit ("Leaving") |
| <wavey> damn |
| <wavey> missed the important bit |
| <wavey> sprites! |
| <wavey> lovely :) |
| <Bagder> yeah, that would be great ;-) |
| <wavey> i can imagine some nice visualisations coming out of this |
| <wavey> eyecandy is important :) |
| <Bagder> indeed it is |
| <wavey> 112x64 |
| * wavey opens psp |
| <wavey> wow |
| <wavey> it's really really small :) |
| <wavey> this is going to be interesting |
| <wavey> are there character fonts built in to the recorder or is it purely bitmapped? |
| <Bagder> pure bitmaps, as I've understood it, but the font is stored as separate bitmaps |
| <Bagder> as the pics on http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/notes.html shows |
| <wavey> ah yes |
| <wavey> the project went pretty quiet for a while |
| <wavey> forgot the basics |
| <Bagder> yeah, after the initial burst there has been some silence and hard work at the side |
| <wavey> so |
| <Bagder> intial, still very basic, ui-simulator seems to work |
| <wavey> hey nice |
| <Bagder> pops up window, can draw in it etc |
| <wavey> lovely |
| <wavey> is it worth trying to identify key functional areas, and see how they lead to a UI requirement? |
| <wavey> 1. start playing |
| <wavey> 2. pause playing |
| <wavey> 3. stop playing |
| <wavey> 4. increase volume |
| <wavey> 5 decrease volume |
| <wavey> are these the fundamental ones? |
| <wavey> playlist etc extend this |
| <Bagder> yes they're the basics |
| <Bagder> without them, there is no player |
| <wavey> ok, playlist operations are another |
| <wavey> and file operations are another |
| <wavey> level meters |
| <wavey> balance control |
| <wavey> timekeeping |
| <wavey> playlist on the recorder firmware is simple |
| <wavey> add to playlist |
| <wavey> play list |
| <wavey> play list randomly |
| <wavey> delete from list |
| <wavey> next in list |
| <wavey> back in list |
| <Bagder> hey, I haven't understood how the playlist works yet ;-) |
| <wavey> i figured :) |
| <wavey> hence the recap :) |
| <wavey> how much was your recorder? |
| <Bagder> I'm not sure... I had a friend order it for me |
| <wavey> point 1) above assumes a file can be identified from the hdd |
| <wavey> which kinda presupposes some file operations are needed at the start |
| <wavey> i.e. browse |
| <Bagder> right, filesystem support is essential |
| <wavey> shall we propose 2 main UI iterations, with the first being 1-5 above + browse filesystem |
| <wavey> and the 2nd being the one with the extra fluff like balance control, timekeeping etc? |
| <Bagder> sounds wise, yes |
| <wavey> do you have your recorder with you now? |
| <Bagder> no |
| <wavey> the level meters take up 1/4 of the screen! |
| <wavey> ridiculous |
| <wavey> i mean, who cares? |
| <Bagder> they're quite silly, I agree |
| <wavey> and the three timers are silly |
| * Bagder tries to get Björn here |
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| <Bagder> there he is ;-) |
| <wavey> hey bjorn |
| <wavey> nice to meet you |
| <Zagor> hey there guys |
| <wavey> i'm sure daniel's filled you in on our discussions so far |
| <wavey> trying to identify a) the minimum UI |
| <Zagor> ah, no not really |
| <wavey> to enable testing of firmware code |
| <wavey> and b) a candidate full-featured UI |
| <wavey> with bells and whistles |
| <wavey> a) needs file browsing support, plus play/pause/stop file + volume control |
| <wavey> b) has playlist control, m3u display, balance control, etc |
| <Bagder> so Zagor, you ok with me creating a subdir in CVS and importing my initial X11 UI stuff? |
| <wavey> and a funky lil' gui |
| <Zagor> bagder: sure. maybe something called 'simulator' or similar, to clearly show it's not the "real" code |
| <Bagder> righ, I'll go for simulator |
| <wavey> i'd be more explicit |
| <Zagor> well, my first thought when i threw this item on Daniel was, |
| <wavey> from experience, naming becomes important in directory structures |
| <Zagor> that it'd be a good thing if we can have the basic menu system the same for the two models |
| <Zagor> not so much the graphic bits, more the underlying framework |
| <wavey> sure |
| <wavey> sensible |
| <Bagder> ok, so 'uisimulator' then ;-) |
| <wavey> sounds great to me |
| <Zagor> (note: i'm at work, so I'll be idle from now and then) |
| <wavey> likewise |
| <wavey> in london |
| <Bagder> ah, you guys work at work? :-] |
| <Zagor> sometimes :) |
| <Bagder> Zagor: with gaim, how the heck do I create an account? |
| <Zagor> hmm |
| <Zagor> i don't know :-) |
| <Zagor> didn't you have an account before? |
| <Bagder> me neither, it just asks for a name and password |
| <Bagder> I used icq ages ago, yes I had an account but only god knows which name and password I used then |
| <Zagor> you need to specify that you are using the 'oscar' protocol, otherwise it will try to log you on as an AIM account |
| <Zagor> ok |
| <Bagder> ah, I need to go and do it on a web page... |
| <wavey> i like the ascii rockbox logo, bagder |
| <Zagor> that'll probably be easiest, yes |
| <Bagder> figlet is cool ;-) |
| <Zagor> yeah, it's cool! |
| <wavey> figlet rocks :) |
| <Zagor> so, did you come up with some ideas about the GUI? |
| <wavey> some |
| <wavey> nothing graphical |
| <wavey> functional requirements |
| <wavey> and no real thought to the player/recorder split |
| <wavey> except that the player's size is very limiting |
| <Zagor> yes, indeed |
| <wavey> and i'd like to see some visualisation eyecandy |
| <Zagor> i nice big on-screen Archos would be cool :-) |
| <wavey> you mean a floating logo? |
| <Zagor> no i was thinking the simulated gui |
| <wavey> or a representation of the player itself |
| <Zagor> yes |
| <wavey> ah yes |
| <wavey> is the simulator going to simulate the screen or the player as a whole? |
| <wavey> and isn't that an emulator? ;) |
| <Bagder> I think we start with only the screen |
| <Bagder> and then we'll see if we're up to making it a complete emulator |
| <Zagor> yes |
| <wavey> i'll leave the sh1 emulation to others :) |
| <Zagor> hehe |
| <Bagder> I've imported the uisimulator code to CVS now |
| <wavey> gizz was talking about the chip being able to support sprites :) |
| <wavey> and porting games to it :) |
| <Zagor> hehe |
| <Bagder> actually, he said the HP48 had them |
| <Zagor> grand plans! |
| <wavey> my recorder is only 3 months old but i think tetris would kill the plasticy buttons on it |
| <wavey> bad: ah! |
| <wavey> that's a shame |
| <wavey> but not really suprising :) |
| <wavey> i'd be happy with no games but a firmware that didn't suck ass |
| <Bagder> did anyone make a C array of the fonts for the Recorder? |
| <Bagder> Zagor ? |
| <Zagor> not that i know |
| <Bagder> kind of boring work... :-) |
| <wavey> can't you extract the data from existing firmware as a linear array? |
| <wavey> or is that copyrighted |
| <wavey> i guess it is |
| <Bagder> yes it is |
| <wavey> but who could tell? :) |
| <Zagor> well we don't really need those exact fonts |
| <Zagor> there are tons of good fonts out there |
| <wavey> agreed |
| <wavey> but not at 5x7 |
| <Zagor> maybe not tons, but a few at least |
| <Zagor> linus had some ideas, but he's not here right now |
| <wavey> excellent work he did with the gdb integration |
| <Zagor> yeah, very nice |
| <Bagder> that'll be *so* handy |
| <Zagor> he plans to write a program loader too, so we can select firmware at start. that'll be nice too. |
| <Zagor> he's a cool guy :) |
| <wavey> very nice |
| <Bagder> hahah, just don't tell him that ;-) |
| <Zagor> i wouldn't dream of it ;*) |
| <Zagor> btw, i think we should aim for proportional fonts on the recorder |
| <Zagor> there's too little room to waste it on blanks :) |
| <wavey> if we do it properly, we can have it as a user option |
| <Zagor> yes |
| <wavey> as a user, i'd rather have the entire display taken up with the song details, rather than the stupid level meters |
| <wavey> but hopefully we can cater to all tastes via options |
| <Zagor> yes. open season on level meters... |
| <wavey> especially ones that take up a quarter of the screen! |
| <Zagor> bagder, do you have code for font handling? i have written some if you need it. |
| <Bagder> I need it |
| <Bagder> I only have the XDrawString() but it isn't what we want ;-) |
| <Zagor> ok, i'll mail it to you |
| <Bagder> did anyone write code that draws stuff on the recorder? |
| <Zagor> yes, look on the rockbox front page |
| <Zagor> there's a link in the news swction |
| <Bagder> found it |
| <Bagder> he has a font table in there... |
| <Zagor> ah |
| <Bagder> this code is quite good |
| <Zagor> bagder: look at drawText() in the code I sent you. it's the relevant portion |
| <Bagder> this works with the included font, right? |
| <Zagor> yes |
| <Bagder> well, if we have a font defined, making it output proportional won't be hard |
| <Zagor> no |
| <Zagor> my point exactly :) |
| <Bagder> the trickiest part is probably to make it look the same on Linux ;-) |
| <Zagor> really? can't you just allocate a bitmap and pixel-write to it? |
| <Bagder> probably, I'm just not very good at those X-calls. I'll need to chase around a bit |
| <Zagor> chase around? well, that's what we're here for, innit? ;) |
| <Bagder> I'm not complaining, I'm only saying how it looks ;-) |
| <wavey> isn't raw X wrapped by gnome or something these days if you want to make it easier? |
| <Zagor> yeah |
| <Bagder> perhaps |
| <Bagder> I'm not sure it makes things easier at this point |
| <Bagder> we already pop up a window and we can draw in it |
| <wavey> true |
| <Bagder> besides, not using gtk or qt makes our program even more portable |
| <Bagder> not that it matters very much of course |
| <wavey> what's the main purpose of the ui simulator? |
| <wavey> to see how things look? |
| <Bagder> yes |
| <Bagder> if we make generic input functions we can drive it too |
| <Bagder> to try the feel too |
| <wavey> i'm not expressing myself clearly, i fear |
| <wavey> um |
| <wavey> does it give you more than mock ups would? |
| <wavey> does it give you any real code for the archos itself? |
| <Bagder> yes, it will |
| <Zagor> that's the idea |
| <wavey> ok cool |
| <wavey> just getting it clear |
| <Bagder> maybe not just now, but that's the purpose of it all |
| <wavey> cool |
| <wavey> coffee time |
| <wavey> bbl |
| <Bagder> sigh, our coke machine is empty... |
| <Zagor> bagder: where are you now? Neti, con? |
| <Bagder> neti |
| <Zagor> ok |
| <Bagder> they did buy my extra 300 hours, so I'm gonna be here for a while more... |
| <Zagor> ok |
| <Zagor> lucky you... ;-P |
| <Bagder> haha |
| <Bagder> at least I'm gonna be working entirely on linux this time |
| <Zagor> ok, that's nice |
| --- Bagder gives channel operator status to Zagor |
| <Bagder> gotta go |
| <Bagder> see ya |
| <Zagor> ok, bye |
| **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 25 16:50:01 2002 |