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Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +00001Q1: Are my batteries charged all the time when connected to my Player/Recorder?
2A1: Player: the charging is all done by hardware and the exact
3 functionality is hard to determine. It is however not recommended to keep
4 the charger connected for more than 10-15 hours if you're not using the
5 unit.
6
7 Recorder: no. The charging algorithm is carefully crafted in to not wear
8 out the batteries any more than necessary. If you're using your unit
9 connected to the charger most of the time, use the 'deep discharge' option
10 to save your batteries somewhat.
11
12Q2: Will keeping my charger connected a long time damage my batteries? Can I
13 leave it over night?
14A2: The charger logic lets the batteries charge until they are full. After
15 that, the charger is disabled, but the device will stay powered on and
16 continue to consume some power from the batteries (the hardware does
17 not allow running from the charger without charging batteries, or
18 powering off with the charger connected). After some time, it will
19 start charging the batteries again to keep them full. This will
20 wear the batteries a little, but overnight charging is what most
21 people do.
22
23 As the Battery FAQ at http://www.greenbatteries.com/ puts it:
24 "A NiMH battery can be charged and discharged hundreds of times,
25 but whether that means 200 times or 800 times has a lot to do
26 with how (you use it)".
27
28Q3: Does Rockbox charge the batteries more/less/worse/better than the Archos
29 firmware?
30A3: Player: Rockbox doesn't affect the charging on Players, it is all done
31 by hardware logic out of software control.
32
33 Recorder: The current release of 1.2 is much worse than the Archos
34 charger, it tends to stop charging much too early and leave the batteries
35 half empty.
36
37 The current development code (CVS daily builds as of 20.8.2002) is much
38 better than the 1.2 release, but still not perfect. Linus recently
39 measured 6 hours continuous playtime after a rockbox charge, and much
40 over 7 hours after an Archos charge. We are working on fine-tuning
41 the charger logic to get the most out of the batteries, but the
42 emphasis is on not overcharging them, since that would damage the
43 batteries. Better be safe than sorry.
44
45Q4: What kind of batteries are there in my factory default Player/Recorder?
Justin Heiner1be02f62002-09-04 02:05:53 +000046A4: Both ship with 1500 mAh NiMH (Nickel Metal Hydride) batteries.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000047
48Q5: Is it hard to change the batteries? Does it void my warranty?
49A5: The archos manual and web site describe how to replace the batteries,
50 so you're supposed to do it. They recommend using only Archos-supplied
51 batteries, but my Recorder 20 unit only shipped with one set. Some
52 units have been shipped with two sets of batteries. Someone actually had
53 Archos send him new batteries free of charge after they had weared out,
54 under the warranty. (have asked from support-technique@archos.com,
55 waiting for an answer to arrive!)
56
57Q6: How much do replacement batteries cost? Where can I buy them?
58A6: http://www.greenbatteries.com sells 1800 mAh NiMH cells at $3.25USD each,
59 and I bought 4 of the same GP batteries for 20 euros in an home
60 electronics & household appliance store in Finland. NiMH batteries are
61 sold in almost all shops that sell consumer electronics, and in many
Heikki Hannikainen5dbd4d12002-08-21 12:43:57 +000062 online shops. Browse around. There's a pretty good comparison between
63 different battery makes and models at the digital imaging resource site:
64 http://www.imaging-resource.com/ACCS/BATTS/BATTS.HTM
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000065
66Q7: What kind of run-time can I expect on a set of fully-charged batteries
67 when running Rockbox?
68A7: For the stock 1500 mAh cells, from 6 hours to 8 hours, depending on
69 which charger was used (see Q3). It depends a lot on the condition of
70 the batteries. We are looking into implementing more battery-saving
71 techniques in rockbox to make it rock longer.
72
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +000073Q8: Can I use different batteries in my Archos? How much playtime would
74 I gain by using 1800 mAh batteries instead of the 1500 mAh ones?
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000075A8: Only use NiMH-type rechargeable batteries. It is considered to be safe
76 to use NiMH batteries of different capacities though, a lot of people
77 have purchaced 1700 or 1800 mAh batteries to replace the stock 1500 mAh
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +000078 cells and have the device run a bit longer. 2000 mAh batteries are
79 just appearing in shops are equally good to use.
80
81 In theory, running time = capacity of batteries / current drawn by device,
82 so running time should increase linearly by the capacity, and 2000 mAh
83 over 1500 mAh should give 33% longer running time. In practice, the
84 mAh ratings are more or less tuned up by the marketing department
85 (think of watts on the back of "hi-fi" speakers and amplifiers) and
86 what you actually get out of the cells is something else than what is
87 printed on them. Check the excellent imaging-resource link above for
88 details!
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000089
90Q9: Can I use non-chargeable batteries in my Archos?
91A9: This is not recommended. The unit has been designed to operate with
92 four 1.2V batteries producing about 4.8V at most, and using 1.5V
93 alkaline/zinc carbon batteries will produce around 6.0V, which will
94 heat up the unit a lot more and might even damage it. The Archos
95 manual explicitly tells you not to do so.
Linus Nielsen Feltzingac8ca792002-08-27 09:55:57 +000096 Also, if you connect the charger, it may even destroy both the batteries
97 and the unit.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000098
99Q10: Can I use a different charger?
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000100A10: The short answer is: Using a different charger will void your warranty
101 and can be dangerous to your unit, so we can not recommend it.
102
103 On the other hand, people have successfully used different chargers
104 with similar specifications as the stock charger. The charger must
105 have the same kind of connector with same polarity (center positive/+).
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000106 The charger should supply at least 7-8 volts, and if it provides
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000107 more than 10V, it probably should be regulated to 9V (do not
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000108 directly plug it in your 12V car battery or it's charger!).
Heikki Hannikainened048722002-08-21 20:54:20 +0000109 The universal travel charger sold by Archos is specified at
110 12V, 1.2A so that's probably the maximum rating you should use.
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000111 A good circuit for powering from a car battery or other source
112 with a higher voltage would be a 600 mA fuse and a 9V regulator like
113 a 7809 of your favourite manufacturer in series.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000114
115 Using lower charging voltage will slow down the charging, and using
116 higher voltage will cause a higher charging current, more heat,
117 and too much heat and current can damage the batteries or the unit.
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000118 Inside the Jukebox there is a regulator which limits the charging
119 voltage applied to the batteries (which in turn limits the current
120 - the usual ohm's law applies: current = voltage / resistance) but
121 if a high input voltage is applied, the regulator will heat up a lot!
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000122
123 Many people are happy using an external quick charger which
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000124 is specified to work with NiMH batteries. This is completely safe
125 and will not void your warranty.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000126
127Q11: Can I buy a replacement charger exactly as the one Archos shipped?
128A11: The FAQ on the Archos web site and the top of the charger both read:
129
130 Output: 9VDC 600mA
131 Center positive (+) polarity
Heikki Hannikainened048722002-08-21 20:54:20 +0000132
133 The universal travel charger sold separately on the Archos web site
134 is specified for 12VDC, 1200mA output.
135
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000136 Chargers with similar (or user-adjustable) properties are available
137 at shops selling consumer electronics.
138
139
140Q12: I often need to stop my player for about 15 minutes or so, and when I do
141 it runs off it's batteries. I was wondering, which is best: shutting the
142 player down completely and rebooting it when I want to listen again, or
143 leaving the unit on? Which way does it draw more power?
144A12: In our testing we found the following results:
145 HDD off, LED off, idle 94 mA
146 HDD off, LED off, play 97 mA
147 HDD off, LED on, idle 129 mA
148 HDD off, LED on, play 131 mA
149 HDD on, LED on, play 230 mA
150 HD on, reading, LED off ~ 600 mA
151 HD spin up before read max 800 mA
152
Heikki Hannikainen002c4a42002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000153 So leaving the unit on and paused consumes ~100mA, and thus much less
154 than needing to reboot the unit. Your mileage may vary.
155
Daniel Stenberg1436b102002-08-27 11:59:01 +0000156Q13: When I plug in the charger when the Recorder is turned off, it turns
157 itself on and starts charging in the Archos software? What's up?
Heikki Hannikainen002c4a42002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000158A13: There is a switch in the DC IN jack of the Jukebox - when a charger (or
159 whatever) is plugged in, the unit is powered on, even if the charger
160 is not plugged in a mains outlet.
161
162 If the charger is providing power at this point, the Archos firmware
163 located on the FLASH ROM does not load a new firmware version (like
164 Rockbox) from the disk, but goes into charging mode instead. You can
165 use this feature to get to the Archos charger if you want to.
Daniel Stenberg1436b102002-08-27 11:59:01 +0000166
167Q14: When I plug the charger in my Recorder, it doesn't immediately start
168 charging the batteries!
169A14: When Rockbox is running on the Recorder (the device has been booted
Heikki Hannikainen002c4a42002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000170 without the charger) it's power management code runs once per minute
171 (thus the charge level and charging status is only updated every minute).
172 If the battery is not full, it will start charging. If the 'deep
173 discharge' mode is enabled in the settings menu, it will start charging
174 only when the battery is almost empty.
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000175
176Q15: What about the memory effect? Should I be worried about it or not?
177A15: That depends on who you ask. ;-) NiMH sellers say NiMHs are better and
178 do not have a memory effect, but the usual opinion seems to be that
179 they do, although it is very small.
180
181 However, if you use your AJB connected to the charger all the time,
182 we recommend you to use the deep discharge option.
183