Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 1 | Q1: Are my batteries charged all the time when connected to my Player/Recorder? |
| 2 | A1: Player: the charging is all done by hardware and the exact |
| 3 | functionality is hard to determine. It is however not recommended to keep |
| 4 | the charger connected for more than 10-15 hours if you're not using the |
| 5 | unit. |
| 6 | |
| 7 | Recorder: no. The charging algorithm is carefully crafted in to not wear |
| 8 | out the batteries any more than necessary. If you're using your unit |
| 9 | connected to the charger most of the time, use the 'deep discharge' option |
| 10 | to save your batteries somewhat. |
| 11 | |
| 12 | Q2: Will keeping my charger connected a long time damage my batteries? Can I |
| 13 | leave it over night? |
| 14 | A2: The charger logic lets the batteries charge until they are full. After |
| 15 | that, the charger is disabled, but the device will stay powered on and |
| 16 | continue to consume some power from the batteries (the hardware does |
| 17 | not allow running from the charger without charging batteries, or |
| 18 | powering off with the charger connected). After some time, it will |
| 19 | start charging the batteries again to keep them full. This will |
| 20 | wear the batteries a little, but overnight charging is what most |
| 21 | people do. |
| 22 | |
| 23 | As the Battery FAQ at http://www.greenbatteries.com/ puts it: |
| 24 | "A NiMH battery can be charged and discharged hundreds of times, |
| 25 | but whether that means 200 times or 800 times has a lot to do |
| 26 | with how (you use it)". |
| 27 | |
| 28 | Q3: Does Rockbox charge the batteries more/less/worse/better than the Archos |
| 29 | firmware? |
| 30 | A3: Player: Rockbox doesn't affect the charging on Players, it is all done |
| 31 | by hardware logic out of software control. |
| 32 | |
| 33 | Recorder: The current release of 1.2 is much worse than the Archos |
| 34 | charger, it tends to stop charging much too early and leave the batteries |
| 35 | half empty. |
| 36 | |
| 37 | The current development code (CVS daily builds as of 20.8.2002) is much |
| 38 | better than the 1.2 release, but still not perfect. Linus recently |
| 39 | measured 6 hours continuous playtime after a rockbox charge, and much |
| 40 | over 7 hours after an Archos charge. We are working on fine-tuning |
| 41 | the charger logic to get the most out of the batteries, but the |
| 42 | emphasis is on not overcharging them, since that would damage the |
| 43 | batteries. Better be safe than sorry. |
| 44 | |
| 45 | Q4: What kind of batteries are there in my factory default Player/Recorder? |
Justin Heiner | 1be02f6 | 2002-09-04 02:05:53 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 46 | A4: Both ship with 1500 mAh NiMH (Nickel Metal Hydride) batteries. |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 47 | |
| 48 | Q5: Is it hard to change the batteries? Does it void my warranty? |
Heikki Hannikainen | 221c4a2 | 2002-09-06 05:42:23 +0000 | [diff] [blame^] | 49 | A5: It is not very hard - the Archos manual and the FAQ on their web site |
| 50 | describe how to do it. Their technical support confirmed that |
| 51 | replacing the batteries with NiMH cells (of different capacities) |
| 52 | will not void the warranty. Just don't remove the screws. |
| 53 | |
| 54 | Some units have been shipped with two sets of batteries, my Recorder 20 |
| 55 | only had one set. Someone actually had Archos send him new batteries |
| 56 | free of charge after they had weared out, under the warranty. |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 57 | |
| 58 | Q6: How much do replacement batteries cost? Where can I buy them? |
| 59 | A6: http://www.greenbatteries.com sells 1800 mAh NiMH cells at $3.25USD each, |
| 60 | and I bought 4 of the same GP batteries for 20 euros in an home |
| 61 | electronics & household appliance store in Finland. NiMH batteries are |
| 62 | sold in almost all shops that sell consumer electronics, and in many |
Heikki Hannikainen | 5dbd4d1 | 2002-08-21 12:43:57 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 63 | online shops. Browse around. There's a pretty good comparison between |
| 64 | different battery makes and models at the digital imaging resource site: |
| 65 | http://www.imaging-resource.com/ACCS/BATTS/BATTS.HTM |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 66 | |
| 67 | Q7: What kind of run-time can I expect on a set of fully-charged batteries |
| 68 | when running Rockbox? |
| 69 | A7: For the stock 1500 mAh cells, from 6 hours to 8 hours, depending on |
| 70 | which charger was used (see Q3). It depends a lot on the condition of |
| 71 | the batteries. We are looking into implementing more battery-saving |
| 72 | techniques in rockbox to make it rock longer. |
| 73 | |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 74 | Q8: Can I use different batteries in my Archos? How much playtime would |
| 75 | I gain by using 1800 mAh batteries instead of the 1500 mAh ones? |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 76 | A8: Only use NiMH-type rechargeable batteries. It is considered to be safe |
| 77 | to use NiMH batteries of different capacities though, a lot of people |
| 78 | have purchaced 1700 or 1800 mAh batteries to replace the stock 1500 mAh |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 79 | cells and have the device run a bit longer. 2000 mAh batteries are |
| 80 | just appearing in shops are equally good to use. |
| 81 | |
| 82 | In theory, running time = capacity of batteries / current drawn by device, |
| 83 | so running time should increase linearly by the capacity, and 2000 mAh |
| 84 | over 1500 mAh should give 33% longer running time. In practice, the |
| 85 | mAh ratings are more or less tuned up by the marketing department |
| 86 | (think of watts on the back of "hi-fi" speakers and amplifiers) and |
| 87 | what you actually get out of the cells is something else than what is |
| 88 | printed on them. Check the excellent imaging-resource link above for |
| 89 | details! |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 90 | |
| 91 | Q9: Can I use non-chargeable batteries in my Archos? |
| 92 | A9: This is not recommended. The unit has been designed to operate with |
| 93 | four 1.2V batteries producing about 4.8V at most, and using 1.5V |
| 94 | alkaline/zinc carbon batteries will produce around 6.0V, which will |
| 95 | heat up the unit a lot more and might even damage it. The Archos |
| 96 | manual explicitly tells you not to do so. |
Linus Nielsen Feltzing | ac8ca79 | 2002-08-27 09:55:57 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 97 | Also, if you connect the charger, it may even destroy both the batteries |
| 98 | and the unit. |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 99 | |
| 100 | Q10: Can I use a different charger? |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 101 | A10: The short answer is: Using a different charger will void your warranty |
| 102 | and can be dangerous to your unit, so we can not recommend it. |
| 103 | |
| 104 | On the other hand, people have successfully used different chargers |
| 105 | with similar specifications as the stock charger. The charger must |
| 106 | have the same kind of connector with same polarity (center positive/+). |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 107 | The charger should supply at least 7-8 volts, and if it provides |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 108 | more than 10V, it probably should be regulated to 9V (do not |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 109 | directly plug it in your 12V car battery or it's charger!). |
Heikki Hannikainen | ed04872 | 2002-08-21 20:54:20 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 110 | The universal travel charger sold by Archos is specified at |
| 111 | 12V, 1.2A so that's probably the maximum rating you should use. |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 112 | A good circuit for powering from a car battery or other source |
| 113 | with a higher voltage would be a 600 mA fuse and a 9V regulator like |
| 114 | a 7809 of your favourite manufacturer in series. |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 115 | |
| 116 | Using lower charging voltage will slow down the charging, and using |
| 117 | higher voltage will cause a higher charging current, more heat, |
| 118 | and too much heat and current can damage the batteries or the unit. |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 119 | Inside the Jukebox there is a regulator which limits the charging |
| 120 | voltage applied to the batteries (which in turn limits the current |
| 121 | - the usual ohm's law applies: current = voltage / resistance) but |
| 122 | if a high input voltage is applied, the regulator will heat up a lot! |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 123 | |
| 124 | Many people are happy using an external quick charger which |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 125 | is specified to work with NiMH batteries. This is completely safe |
| 126 | and will not void your warranty. |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 127 | |
| 128 | Q11: Can I buy a replacement charger exactly as the one Archos shipped? |
| 129 | A11: The FAQ on the Archos web site and the top of the charger both read: |
| 130 | |
| 131 | Output: 9VDC 600mA |
| 132 | Center positive (+) polarity |
Heikki Hannikainen | ed04872 | 2002-08-21 20:54:20 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 133 | |
| 134 | The universal travel charger sold separately on the Archos web site |
| 135 | is specified for 12VDC, 1200mA output. |
| 136 | |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 137 | Chargers with similar (or user-adjustable) properties are available |
| 138 | at shops selling consumer electronics. |
| 139 | |
| 140 | |
| 141 | Q12: I often need to stop my player for about 15 minutes or so, and when I do |
| 142 | it runs off it's batteries. I was wondering, which is best: shutting the |
| 143 | player down completely and rebooting it when I want to listen again, or |
| 144 | leaving the unit on? Which way does it draw more power? |
| 145 | A12: In our testing we found the following results: |
| 146 | HDD off, LED off, idle 94 mA |
| 147 | HDD off, LED off, play 97 mA |
| 148 | HDD off, LED on, idle 129 mA |
| 149 | HDD off, LED on, play 131 mA |
| 150 | HDD on, LED on, play 230 mA |
| 151 | HD on, reading, LED off ~ 600 mA |
| 152 | HD spin up before read max 800 mA |
| 153 | |
Heikki Hannikainen | 002c4a4 | 2002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 154 | So leaving the unit on and paused consumes ~100mA, and thus much less |
| 155 | than needing to reboot the unit. Your mileage may vary. |
| 156 | |
Daniel Stenberg | 1436b10 | 2002-08-27 11:59:01 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 157 | Q13: When I plug in the charger when the Recorder is turned off, it turns |
| 158 | itself on and starts charging in the Archos software? What's up? |
Heikki Hannikainen | 002c4a4 | 2002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 159 | A13: There is a switch in the DC IN jack of the Jukebox - when a charger (or |
| 160 | whatever) is plugged in, the unit is powered on, even if the charger |
| 161 | is not plugged in a mains outlet. |
| 162 | |
| 163 | If the charger is providing power at this point, the Archos firmware |
| 164 | located on the FLASH ROM does not load a new firmware version (like |
| 165 | Rockbox) from the disk, but goes into charging mode instead. You can |
| 166 | use this feature to get to the Archos charger if you want to. |
Daniel Stenberg | 1436b10 | 2002-08-27 11:59:01 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 167 | |
| 168 | Q14: When I plug the charger in my Recorder, it doesn't immediately start |
| 169 | charging the batteries! |
| 170 | A14: When Rockbox is running on the Recorder (the device has been booted |
Heikki Hannikainen | 002c4a4 | 2002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 171 | without the charger) it's power management code runs once per minute |
| 172 | (thus the charge level and charging status is only updated every minute). |
| 173 | If the battery is not full, it will start charging. If the 'deep |
| 174 | discharge' mode is enabled in the settings menu, it will start charging |
| 175 | only when the battery is almost empty. |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 176 | |
| 177 | Q15: What about the memory effect? Should I be worried about it or not? |
| 178 | A15: That depends on who you ask. ;-) NiMH sellers say NiMHs are better and |
| 179 | do not have a memory effect, but the usual opinion seems to be that |
| 180 | they do, although it is very small. |
| 181 | |
| 182 | However, if you use your AJB connected to the charger all the time, |
| 183 | we recommend you to use the deep discharge option. |
| 184 | |