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Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +00001Q1: Are my batteries charged all the time when connected to my Player/Recorder?
2A1: Player: the charging is all done by hardware and the exact
3 functionality is hard to determine. It is however not recommended to keep
4 the charger connected for more than 10-15 hours if you're not using the
5 unit.
6
7 Recorder: no. The charging algorithm is carefully crafted in to not wear
8 out the batteries any more than necessary. If you're using your unit
9 connected to the charger most of the time, use the 'deep discharge' option
10 to save your batteries somewhat.
11
12Q2: Will keeping my charger connected a long time damage my batteries? Can I
13 leave it over night?
Uwe Freeseeec501e2002-12-14 13:03:14 +000014A2: There's a deep discharge mode and you can switch trickle charge on and off.
15 If you use your AJB connected to the power supply the whole time, select
16 "deep discharge on" and "trickle charge off". If you want to charge your
17 AJB over night and take it with you the next day, select "deep discharge
18 off" (that it starts charging immediately) and "trickle charge on"
19 (that the batteries remain full).
20
21 Trickle charge is needed to keep the batteries full. That's necessary because
22 the device will stay powered on and continue to consume some power from
23 the batteries (the hardware does not allow running from the charger
24 without charging batteries, or powering off with the charger connected).
25 The trickle charge time is 12 hours. It should be enough for you to disconnect
26 your AJB in this time and turn it off / use it.
27 However, after 12 hours of trickle charge, it will turn it off, the batteries
28 are discharged and another charge cycle is started.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000029
30 As the Battery FAQ at http://www.greenbatteries.com/ puts it:
31 "A NiMH battery can be charged and discharged hundreds of times,
32 but whether that means 200 times or 800 times has a lot to do
33 with how (you use it)".
34
35Q3: Does Rockbox charge the batteries more/less/worse/better than the Archos
36 firmware?
37A3: Player: Rockbox doesn't affect the charging on Players, it is all done
38 by hardware logic out of software control.
39
Uwe Freeseeec501e2002-12-14 13:03:14 +000040 Recorder: The whole algorithm is made to carefully charge the batteries full
41 and keep them full after that with a trickle charge option. Many documents
42 about charge ICs were considered. If you want to know details, then look
43 into docs/CHARGING_ALGORITHM. If you have comments, write to
44 mail@uwe-freese.de or the Rockbox mailinglist.
45
46 Test results with trickle charge (battery capacities measured with an
47 external charger, Model "Conrad Electronic Charge Manager 2010", ~100 EUR):
48
49 - after normal charge and top off time: 1798, 1834, 1819, 1815 mAh
50 - after normal + top off + trickle charge (12h): 1784, 1748, 1738, 1752 mAh
51 - charged with external charger: 1786, 1819, 1802, 1802 mAh
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000052
Uwe Freeseeec501e2002-12-14 13:03:14 +000053 You can see, whenever you take your AJB with you in the 12h trickle charge
54 period, the batteries are at least 97% full. :)
55
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000056Q4: What kind of batteries are there in my factory default Player/Recorder?
Justin Heiner1be02f62002-09-04 02:05:53 +000057A4: Both ship with 1500 mAh NiMH (Nickel Metal Hydride) batteries.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000058
59Q5: Is it hard to change the batteries? Does it void my warranty?
Heikki Hannikainen221c4a22002-09-06 05:42:23 +000060A5: It is not very hard - the Archos manual and the FAQ on their web site
61 describe how to do it. Their technical support confirmed that
62 replacing the batteries with NiMH cells (of different capacities)
63 will not void the warranty. Just don't remove the screws.
64
65 Some units have been shipped with two sets of batteries, my Recorder 20
66 only had one set. Someone actually had Archos send him new batteries
67 free of charge after they had weared out, under the warranty.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000068
69Q6: How much do replacement batteries cost? Where can I buy them?
70A6: http://www.greenbatteries.com sells 1800 mAh NiMH cells at $3.25USD each,
71 and I bought 4 of the same GP batteries for 20 euros in an home
72 electronics & household appliance store in Finland. NiMH batteries are
73 sold in almost all shops that sell consumer electronics, and in many
Heikki Hannikainen5dbd4d12002-08-21 12:43:57 +000074 online shops. Browse around. There's a pretty good comparison between
75 different battery makes and models at the digital imaging resource site:
76 http://www.imaging-resource.com/ACCS/BATTS/BATTS.HTM
Uwe Freeseeec501e2002-12-14 13:03:14 +000077 In Germany, www.reichelt.de sells GP 2000 batteries for 2,75 EUR (12/2002).
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000078
79Q7: What kind of run-time can I expect on a set of fully-charged batteries
80 when running Rockbox?
81A7: For the stock 1500 mAh cells, from 6 hours to 8 hours, depending on
Uwe Freeseeec501e2002-12-14 13:03:14 +000082 which charger was used (see Q3). It depends a lot on the condition of the
83 batteries. With 2000 mAh batteries, you should reach about 10 hours or more.
84 We are looking into implementing more battery-saving techniques in rockbox
85 to make it rock longer.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000086
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +000087Q8: Can I use different batteries in my Archos? How much playtime would
88 I gain by using 1800 mAh batteries instead of the 1500 mAh ones?
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000089A8: Only use NiMH-type rechargeable batteries. It is considered to be safe
90 to use NiMH batteries of different capacities though, a lot of people
91 have purchaced 1700 or 1800 mAh batteries to replace the stock 1500 mAh
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +000092 cells and have the device run a bit longer. 2000 mAh batteries are
93 just appearing in shops are equally good to use.
94
95 In theory, running time = capacity of batteries / current drawn by device,
96 so running time should increase linearly by the capacity, and 2000 mAh
97 over 1500 mAh should give 33% longer running time. In practice, the
98 mAh ratings are more or less tuned up by the marketing department
99 (think of watts on the back of "hi-fi" speakers and amplifiers) and
100 what you actually get out of the cells is something else than what is
101 printed on them. Check the excellent imaging-resource link above for
102 details!
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000103
104Q9: Can I use non-chargeable batteries in my Archos?
105A9: This is not recommended. The unit has been designed to operate with
106 four 1.2V batteries producing about 4.8V at most, and using 1.5V
107 alkaline/zinc carbon batteries will produce around 6.0V, which will
108 heat up the unit a lot more and might even damage it. The Archos
109 manual explicitly tells you not to do so.
Linus Nielsen Feltzingac8ca792002-08-27 09:55:57 +0000110 Also, if you connect the charger, it may even destroy both the batteries
111 and the unit.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000112
113Q10: Can I use a different charger?
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000114A10: The short answer is: Using a different charger will void your warranty
115 and can be dangerous to your unit, so we can not recommend it.
116
117 On the other hand, people have successfully used different chargers
118 with similar specifications as the stock charger. The charger must
119 have the same kind of connector with same polarity (center positive/+).
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000120 The charger should supply at least 7-8 volts, and if it provides
Uwe Freesec9743e22002-12-10 23:14:04 +0000121 more than 10V, it probably should be regulated to 10V (do not
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000122 directly plug it in your 12V car battery or it's charger!).
Heikki Hannikainened048722002-08-21 20:54:20 +0000123 The universal travel charger sold by Archos is specified at
124 12V, 1.2A so that's probably the maximum rating you should use.
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000125 A good circuit for powering from a car battery or other source
Uwe Freesec9743e22002-12-10 23:14:04 +0000126 with a higher voltage would be a 600 mA fuse and a 10V regulator like
127 a 7810 of your favourite manufacturer in series.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000128
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000129 Inside the Jukebox there is a regulator which limits the charging
Uwe Freesec9743e22002-12-10 23:14:04 +0000130 current applied to the batteries. The higher the input voltage, the hotter
131 this IC gets. Don't use an input voltage above 12V.
132 Using lower charging voltage < 10V will slow down the charging. But the
133 rockbox charging algorithm should work then, too.
134
135 These are the output voltages of an original archos power supply:
136 - connected to AJB Recorder, not charging: 13,7 Volt
137 - connected to AJB Recorder, charging: going down to 10,4 Volt
138
139 Here is how changing the input voltage changes the charging current:
140
Björn Stenberg6ebf5e42002-12-16 12:36:21 +0000141 voltage charging current (limited only by the AJB)
142 ------------------------------------------------------
143 7,0V 10 mA
144 7,5V 30 mA
145 8,0V 50 mA
146 8,5V 70 mA
147 9,0V 140 mA
148 9,5V 250 mA
149 10,0V 330 mA
150 10,5V 350 mA
151 11,0V 350 mA
152 11,5V 350 mA
153 12,0V 350 mA
Uwe Freesec9743e22002-12-10 23:14:04 +0000154
155 To summarize:
156
Björn Stenberg6ebf5e42002-12-16 12:36:21 +0000157 - do not use an input voltage > 12V (it will only heat up the regulator)
158 - optimal input voltage is 10V (regulated)
159 - use a fuse of ~600mA
160 - using a different charger voids your warrenty
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000161
162 Many people are happy using an external quick charger which
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000163 is specified to work with NiMH batteries. This is completely safe
164 and will not void your warranty.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000165
166Q11: Can I buy a replacement charger exactly as the one Archos shipped?
167A11: The FAQ on the Archos web site and the top of the charger both read:
168
169 Output: 9VDC 600mA
170 Center positive (+) polarity
Heikki Hannikainened048722002-08-21 20:54:20 +0000171
172 The universal travel charger sold separately on the Archos web site
173 is specified for 12VDC, 1200mA output.
174
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000175 Chargers with similar (or user-adjustable) properties are available
176 at shops selling consumer electronics.
177
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000178Q12: I often need to stop my player for about 15 minutes or so, and when I do
179 it runs off it's batteries. I was wondering, which is best: shutting the
180 player down completely and rebooting it when I want to listen again, or
181 leaving the unit on? Which way does it draw more power?
182A12: In our testing we found the following results:
Björn Stenberg6ebf5e42002-12-16 12:36:21 +0000183 HDD off, backlight off, idle 94 mA
184 HDD off, backlight off, play 97 mA
185 HDD off, backlight on, idle 129 mA
186 HDD off, backlight on, play 131 mA
187 HDD on, backlight on, play 230 mA
188 HD on, reading, backlight off ~ 600 mA
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000189 HD spin up before read max 800 mA
Björn Stenberg6ebf5e42002-12-16 12:36:21 +0000190
Heikki Hannikainen002c4a42002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000191 So leaving the unit on and paused consumes ~100mA, and thus much less
192 than needing to reboot the unit. Your mileage may vary.
193
Daniel Stenberg1436b102002-08-27 11:59:01 +0000194Q13: When I plug in the charger when the Recorder is turned off, it turns
195 itself on and starts charging in the Archos software? What's up?
Heikki Hannikainen002c4a42002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000196A13: There is a switch in the DC IN jack of the Jukebox - when a charger (or
197 whatever) is plugged in, the unit is powered on, even if the charger
198 is not plugged in a mains outlet.
199
200 If the charger is providing power at this point, the Archos firmware
201 located on the FLASH ROM does not load a new firmware version (like
202 Rockbox) from the disk, but goes into charging mode instead. You can
203 use this feature to get to the Archos charger if you want to.
Daniel Stenberg1436b102002-08-27 11:59:01 +0000204
205Q14: When I plug the charger in my Recorder, it doesn't immediately start
206 charging the batteries!
207A14: When Rockbox is running on the Recorder (the device has been booted
Heikki Hannikainen002c4a42002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000208 without the charger) it's power management code runs once per minute
209 (thus the charge level and charging status is only updated every minute).
210 If the battery is not full, it will start charging. If the 'deep
211 discharge' mode is enabled in the settings menu, it will start charging
212 only when the battery is almost empty.
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000213
214Q15: What about the memory effect? Should I be worried about it or not?
215A15: That depends on who you ask. ;-) NiMH sellers say NiMHs are better and
216 do not have a memory effect, but the usual opinion seems to be that
217 they do, although it is very small.
218
219 However, if you use your AJB connected to the charger all the time,
220 we recommend you to use the deep discharge option.
Uwe Freese5defb4c2003-01-15 14:53:15 +0000221
222Q16: When I start my Jukebox, (dis)connect the charger and browse through the
223 directories, the battery level changes a little bit. Sometimes it's even
224 going up without the charger is connected! What's wrong?
225A16: Nothing's wrong. The battery level is calculated out of the voltage.
226 Because disk spinning, LED backlight, charger all influence the actual
227 battery voltage, it is usual that the battery level is going a little bit
228 up and down sometimes. This cannot be avoided although we tried to make the
229 battery level display as little confusing as we could.