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Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +00001Q1: Are my batteries charged all the time when connected to my Player/Recorder?
2A1: Player: the charging is all done by hardware and the exact
3 functionality is hard to determine. It is however not recommended to keep
4 the charger connected for more than 10-15 hours if you're not using the
5 unit.
6
7 Recorder: no. The charging algorithm is carefully crafted in to not wear
8 out the batteries any more than necessary. If you're using your unit
9 connected to the charger most of the time, use the 'deep discharge' option
10 to save your batteries somewhat.
11
12Q2: Will keeping my charger connected a long time damage my batteries? Can I
13 leave it over night?
14A2: The charger logic lets the batteries charge until they are full. After
15 that, the charger is disabled, but the device will stay powered on and
16 continue to consume some power from the batteries (the hardware does
17 not allow running from the charger without charging batteries, or
18 powering off with the charger connected). After some time, it will
19 start charging the batteries again to keep them full. This will
20 wear the batteries a little, but overnight charging is what most
21 people do.
22
23 As the Battery FAQ at http://www.greenbatteries.com/ puts it:
24 "A NiMH battery can be charged and discharged hundreds of times,
25 but whether that means 200 times or 800 times has a lot to do
26 with how (you use it)".
27
28Q3: Does Rockbox charge the batteries more/less/worse/better than the Archos
29 firmware?
30A3: Player: Rockbox doesn't affect the charging on Players, it is all done
31 by hardware logic out of software control.
32
33 Recorder: The current release of 1.2 is much worse than the Archos
34 charger, it tends to stop charging much too early and leave the batteries
35 half empty.
36
37 The current development code (CVS daily builds as of 20.8.2002) is much
38 better than the 1.2 release, but still not perfect. Linus recently
39 measured 6 hours continuous playtime after a rockbox charge, and much
40 over 7 hours after an Archos charge. We are working on fine-tuning
41 the charger logic to get the most out of the batteries, but the
42 emphasis is on not overcharging them, since that would damage the
43 batteries. Better be safe than sorry.
44
45Q4: What kind of batteries are there in my factory default Player/Recorder?
Justin Heiner1be02f62002-09-04 02:05:53 +000046A4: Both ship with 1500 mAh NiMH (Nickel Metal Hydride) batteries.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000047
48Q5: Is it hard to change the batteries? Does it void my warranty?
Heikki Hannikainen221c4a22002-09-06 05:42:23 +000049A5: It is not very hard - the Archos manual and the FAQ on their web site
50 describe how to do it. Their technical support confirmed that
51 replacing the batteries with NiMH cells (of different capacities)
52 will not void the warranty. Just don't remove the screws.
53
54 Some units have been shipped with two sets of batteries, my Recorder 20
55 only had one set. Someone actually had Archos send him new batteries
56 free of charge after they had weared out, under the warranty.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000057
58Q6: How much do replacement batteries cost? Where can I buy them?
59A6: http://www.greenbatteries.com sells 1800 mAh NiMH cells at $3.25USD each,
60 and I bought 4 of the same GP batteries for 20 euros in an home
61 electronics & household appliance store in Finland. NiMH batteries are
62 sold in almost all shops that sell consumer electronics, and in many
Heikki Hannikainen5dbd4d12002-08-21 12:43:57 +000063 online shops. Browse around. There's a pretty good comparison between
64 different battery makes and models at the digital imaging resource site:
65 http://www.imaging-resource.com/ACCS/BATTS/BATTS.HTM
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000066
67Q7: What kind of run-time can I expect on a set of fully-charged batteries
68 when running Rockbox?
69A7: For the stock 1500 mAh cells, from 6 hours to 8 hours, depending on
70 which charger was used (see Q3). It depends a lot on the condition of
71 the batteries. We are looking into implementing more battery-saving
72 techniques in rockbox to make it rock longer.
73
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +000074Q8: Can I use different batteries in my Archos? How much playtime would
75 I gain by using 1800 mAh batteries instead of the 1500 mAh ones?
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000076A8: Only use NiMH-type rechargeable batteries. It is considered to be safe
77 to use NiMH batteries of different capacities though, a lot of people
78 have purchaced 1700 or 1800 mAh batteries to replace the stock 1500 mAh
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +000079 cells and have the device run a bit longer. 2000 mAh batteries are
80 just appearing in shops are equally good to use.
81
82 In theory, running time = capacity of batteries / current drawn by device,
83 so running time should increase linearly by the capacity, and 2000 mAh
84 over 1500 mAh should give 33% longer running time. In practice, the
85 mAh ratings are more or less tuned up by the marketing department
86 (think of watts on the back of "hi-fi" speakers and amplifiers) and
87 what you actually get out of the cells is something else than what is
88 printed on them. Check the excellent imaging-resource link above for
89 details!
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000090
91Q9: Can I use non-chargeable batteries in my Archos?
92A9: This is not recommended. The unit has been designed to operate with
93 four 1.2V batteries producing about 4.8V at most, and using 1.5V
94 alkaline/zinc carbon batteries will produce around 6.0V, which will
95 heat up the unit a lot more and might even damage it. The Archos
96 manual explicitly tells you not to do so.
Linus Nielsen Feltzingac8ca792002-08-27 09:55:57 +000097 Also, if you connect the charger, it may even destroy both the batteries
98 and the unit.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +000099
100Q10: Can I use a different charger?
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000101A10: The short answer is: Using a different charger will void your warranty
102 and can be dangerous to your unit, so we can not recommend it.
103
104 On the other hand, people have successfully used different chargers
105 with similar specifications as the stock charger. The charger must
106 have the same kind of connector with same polarity (center positive/+).
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000107 The charger should supply at least 7-8 volts, and if it provides
Uwe Freesec9743e22002-12-10 23:14:04 +0000108 more than 10V, it probably should be regulated to 10V (do not
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000109 directly plug it in your 12V car battery or it's charger!).
Heikki Hannikainened048722002-08-21 20:54:20 +0000110 The universal travel charger sold by Archos is specified at
111 12V, 1.2A so that's probably the maximum rating you should use.
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000112 A good circuit for powering from a car battery or other source
Uwe Freesec9743e22002-12-10 23:14:04 +0000113 with a higher voltage would be a 600 mA fuse and a 10V regulator like
114 a 7810 of your favourite manufacturer in series.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000115
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000116 Inside the Jukebox there is a regulator which limits the charging
Uwe Freesec9743e22002-12-10 23:14:04 +0000117 current applied to the batteries. The higher the input voltage, the hotter
118 this IC gets. Don't use an input voltage above 12V.
119 Using lower charging voltage < 10V will slow down the charging. But the
120 rockbox charging algorithm should work then, too.
121
122 These are the output voltages of an original archos power supply:
123 - connected to AJB Recorder, not charging: 13,7 Volt
124 - connected to AJB Recorder, charging: going down to 10,4 Volt
125
126 Here is how changing the input voltage changes the charging current:
127
128 voltage charging current (limited only by the AJB)
129 ------------------------------------------------------
130 7,0V 10 mA
131 7,5V 30 mA
132 8,0V 50 mA
133 8,5V 70 mA
134 9,0V 140 mA
135 9,5V 250 mA
136 10,0V 330 mA
137 10,5V 350 mA
138 11,0V 350 mA
139 11,5V 350 mA
140 12,0V 350 mA
141
142 To summarize:
143
144 - do not use an input voltage > 12V
145 - optimal input voltage is 10V (regulated)
146 - use a fuse of ~600mA
147 - using a different charger voids your warrenty
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000148
149 Many people are happy using an external quick charger which
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000150 is specified to work with NiMH batteries. This is completely safe
151 and will not void your warranty.
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000152
153Q11: Can I buy a replacement charger exactly as the one Archos shipped?
154A11: The FAQ on the Archos web site and the top of the charger both read:
155
156 Output: 9VDC 600mA
157 Center positive (+) polarity
Heikki Hannikainened048722002-08-21 20:54:20 +0000158
159 The universal travel charger sold separately on the Archos web site
160 is specified for 12VDC, 1200mA output.
161
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000162 Chargers with similar (or user-adjustable) properties are available
163 at shops selling consumer electronics.
164
Robert Hak019203b2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000165Q12: I often need to stop my player for about 15 minutes or so, and when I do
166 it runs off it's batteries. I was wondering, which is best: shutting the
167 player down completely and rebooting it when I want to listen again, or
168 leaving the unit on? Which way does it draw more power?
169A12: In our testing we found the following results:
170 HDD off, LED off, idle 94 mA
171 HDD off, LED off, play 97 mA
172 HDD off, LED on, idle 129 mA
173 HDD off, LED on, play 131 mA
174 HDD on, LED on, play 230 mA
175 HD on, reading, LED off ~ 600 mA
176 HD spin up before read max 800 mA
177
Heikki Hannikainen002c4a42002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000178 So leaving the unit on and paused consumes ~100mA, and thus much less
179 than needing to reboot the unit. Your mileage may vary.
180
Daniel Stenberg1436b102002-08-27 11:59:01 +0000181Q13: When I plug in the charger when the Recorder is turned off, it turns
182 itself on and starts charging in the Archos software? What's up?
Heikki Hannikainen002c4a42002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000183A13: There is a switch in the DC IN jack of the Jukebox - when a charger (or
184 whatever) is plugged in, the unit is powered on, even if the charger
185 is not plugged in a mains outlet.
186
187 If the charger is providing power at this point, the Archos firmware
188 located on the FLASH ROM does not load a new firmware version (like
189 Rockbox) from the disk, but goes into charging mode instead. You can
190 use this feature to get to the Archos charger if you want to.
Daniel Stenberg1436b102002-08-27 11:59:01 +0000191
192Q14: When I plug the charger in my Recorder, it doesn't immediately start
193 charging the batteries!
194A14: When Rockbox is running on the Recorder (the device has been booted
Heikki Hannikainen002c4a42002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000195 without the charger) it's power management code runs once per minute
196 (thus the charge level and charging status is only updated every minute).
197 If the battery is not full, it will start charging. If the 'deep
198 discharge' mode is enabled in the settings menu, it will start charging
199 only when the battery is almost empty.
Heikki Hannikainen1198d372002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000200
201Q15: What about the memory effect? Should I be worried about it or not?
202A15: That depends on who you ask. ;-) NiMH sellers say NiMHs are better and
203 do not have a memory effect, but the usual opinion seems to be that
204 they do, although it is very small.
205
206 However, if you use your AJB connected to the charger all the time,
207 we recommend you to use the deep discharge option.
208