Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 1 | Q1: Are my batteries charged all the time when connected to my Player/Recorder? |
| 2 | A1: Player: the charging is all done by hardware and the exact |
| 3 | functionality is hard to determine. It is however not recommended to keep |
| 4 | the charger connected for more than 10-15 hours if you're not using the |
| 5 | unit. |
| 6 | |
| 7 | Recorder: no. The charging algorithm is carefully crafted in to not wear |
| 8 | out the batteries any more than necessary. If you're using your unit |
| 9 | connected to the charger most of the time, use the 'deep discharge' option |
| 10 | to save your batteries somewhat. |
| 11 | |
| 12 | Q2: Will keeping my charger connected a long time damage my batteries? Can I |
| 13 | leave it over night? |
Uwe Freese | eec501e | 2002-12-14 13:03:14 +0000 | [diff] [blame^] | 14 | A2: There's a deep discharge mode and you can switch trickle charge on and off. |
| 15 | If you use your AJB connected to the power supply the whole time, select |
| 16 | "deep discharge on" and "trickle charge off". If you want to charge your |
| 17 | AJB over night and take it with you the next day, select "deep discharge |
| 18 | off" (that it starts charging immediately) and "trickle charge on" |
| 19 | (that the batteries remain full). |
| 20 | |
| 21 | Trickle charge is needed to keep the batteries full. That's necessary because |
| 22 | the device will stay powered on and continue to consume some power from |
| 23 | the batteries (the hardware does not allow running from the charger |
| 24 | without charging batteries, or powering off with the charger connected). |
| 25 | The trickle charge time is 12 hours. It should be enough for you to disconnect |
| 26 | your AJB in this time and turn it off / use it. |
| 27 | However, after 12 hours of trickle charge, it will turn it off, the batteries |
| 28 | are discharged and another charge cycle is started. |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 29 | |
| 30 | As the Battery FAQ at http://www.greenbatteries.com/ puts it: |
| 31 | "A NiMH battery can be charged and discharged hundreds of times, |
| 32 | but whether that means 200 times or 800 times has a lot to do |
| 33 | with how (you use it)". |
| 34 | |
| 35 | Q3: Does Rockbox charge the batteries more/less/worse/better than the Archos |
| 36 | firmware? |
| 37 | A3: Player: Rockbox doesn't affect the charging on Players, it is all done |
| 38 | by hardware logic out of software control. |
| 39 | |
Uwe Freese | eec501e | 2002-12-14 13:03:14 +0000 | [diff] [blame^] | 40 | Recorder: The whole algorithm is made to carefully charge the batteries full |
| 41 | and keep them full after that with a trickle charge option. Many documents |
| 42 | about charge ICs were considered. If you want to know details, then look |
| 43 | into docs/CHARGING_ALGORITHM. If you have comments, write to |
| 44 | mail@uwe-freese.de or the Rockbox mailinglist. |
| 45 | |
| 46 | Test results with trickle charge (battery capacities measured with an |
| 47 | external charger, Model "Conrad Electronic Charge Manager 2010", ~100 EUR): |
| 48 | |
| 49 | - after normal charge and top off time: 1798, 1834, 1819, 1815 mAh |
| 50 | - after normal + top off + trickle charge (12h): 1784, 1748, 1738, 1752 mAh |
| 51 | - charged with external charger: 1786, 1819, 1802, 1802 mAh |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 52 | |
Uwe Freese | eec501e | 2002-12-14 13:03:14 +0000 | [diff] [blame^] | 53 | You can see, whenever you take your AJB with you in the 12h trickle charge |
| 54 | period, the batteries are at least 97% full. :) |
| 55 | |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 56 | Q4: What kind of batteries are there in my factory default Player/Recorder? |
Justin Heiner | 1be02f6 | 2002-09-04 02:05:53 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 57 | A4: Both ship with 1500 mAh NiMH (Nickel Metal Hydride) batteries. |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 58 | |
| 59 | Q5: Is it hard to change the batteries? Does it void my warranty? |
Heikki Hannikainen | 221c4a2 | 2002-09-06 05:42:23 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 60 | A5: It is not very hard - the Archos manual and the FAQ on their web site |
| 61 | describe how to do it. Their technical support confirmed that |
| 62 | replacing the batteries with NiMH cells (of different capacities) |
| 63 | will not void the warranty. Just don't remove the screws. |
| 64 | |
| 65 | Some units have been shipped with two sets of batteries, my Recorder 20 |
| 66 | only had one set. Someone actually had Archos send him new batteries |
| 67 | free of charge after they had weared out, under the warranty. |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 68 | |
| 69 | Q6: How much do replacement batteries cost? Where can I buy them? |
| 70 | A6: http://www.greenbatteries.com sells 1800 mAh NiMH cells at $3.25USD each, |
| 71 | and I bought 4 of the same GP batteries for 20 euros in an home |
| 72 | electronics & household appliance store in Finland. NiMH batteries are |
| 73 | sold in almost all shops that sell consumer electronics, and in many |
Heikki Hannikainen | 5dbd4d1 | 2002-08-21 12:43:57 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 74 | online shops. Browse around. There's a pretty good comparison between |
| 75 | different battery makes and models at the digital imaging resource site: |
| 76 | http://www.imaging-resource.com/ACCS/BATTS/BATTS.HTM |
Uwe Freese | eec501e | 2002-12-14 13:03:14 +0000 | [diff] [blame^] | 77 | In Germany, www.reichelt.de sells GP 2000 batteries for 2,75 EUR (12/2002). |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 78 | |
| 79 | Q7: What kind of run-time can I expect on a set of fully-charged batteries |
| 80 | when running Rockbox? |
| 81 | A7: For the stock 1500 mAh cells, from 6 hours to 8 hours, depending on |
Uwe Freese | eec501e | 2002-12-14 13:03:14 +0000 | [diff] [blame^] | 82 | which charger was used (see Q3). It depends a lot on the condition of the |
| 83 | batteries. With 2000 mAh batteries, you should reach about 10 hours or more. |
| 84 | We are looking into implementing more battery-saving techniques in rockbox |
| 85 | to make it rock longer. |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 86 | |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 87 | Q8: Can I use different batteries in my Archos? How much playtime would |
| 88 | I gain by using 1800 mAh batteries instead of the 1500 mAh ones? |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 89 | A8: Only use NiMH-type rechargeable batteries. It is considered to be safe |
| 90 | to use NiMH batteries of different capacities though, a lot of people |
| 91 | have purchaced 1700 or 1800 mAh batteries to replace the stock 1500 mAh |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 92 | cells and have the device run a bit longer. 2000 mAh batteries are |
| 93 | just appearing in shops are equally good to use. |
| 94 | |
| 95 | In theory, running time = capacity of batteries / current drawn by device, |
| 96 | so running time should increase linearly by the capacity, and 2000 mAh |
| 97 | over 1500 mAh should give 33% longer running time. In practice, the |
| 98 | mAh ratings are more or less tuned up by the marketing department |
| 99 | (think of watts on the back of "hi-fi" speakers and amplifiers) and |
| 100 | what you actually get out of the cells is something else than what is |
| 101 | printed on them. Check the excellent imaging-resource link above for |
| 102 | details! |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 103 | |
| 104 | Q9: Can I use non-chargeable batteries in my Archos? |
| 105 | A9: This is not recommended. The unit has been designed to operate with |
| 106 | four 1.2V batteries producing about 4.8V at most, and using 1.5V |
| 107 | alkaline/zinc carbon batteries will produce around 6.0V, which will |
| 108 | heat up the unit a lot more and might even damage it. The Archos |
| 109 | manual explicitly tells you not to do so. |
Linus Nielsen Feltzing | ac8ca79 | 2002-08-27 09:55:57 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 110 | Also, if you connect the charger, it may even destroy both the batteries |
| 111 | and the unit. |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 112 | |
| 113 | Q10: Can I use a different charger? |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 114 | A10: The short answer is: Using a different charger will void your warranty |
| 115 | and can be dangerous to your unit, so we can not recommend it. |
| 116 | |
| 117 | On the other hand, people have successfully used different chargers |
| 118 | with similar specifications as the stock charger. The charger must |
| 119 | have the same kind of connector with same polarity (center positive/+). |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 120 | The charger should supply at least 7-8 volts, and if it provides |
Uwe Freese | c9743e2 | 2002-12-10 23:14:04 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 121 | more than 10V, it probably should be regulated to 10V (do not |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 122 | directly plug it in your 12V car battery or it's charger!). |
Heikki Hannikainen | ed04872 | 2002-08-21 20:54:20 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 123 | The universal travel charger sold by Archos is specified at |
| 124 | 12V, 1.2A so that's probably the maximum rating you should use. |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 125 | A good circuit for powering from a car battery or other source |
Uwe Freese | c9743e2 | 2002-12-10 23:14:04 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 126 | with a higher voltage would be a 600 mA fuse and a 10V regulator like |
| 127 | a 7810 of your favourite manufacturer in series. |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 128 | |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 129 | Inside the Jukebox there is a regulator which limits the charging |
Uwe Freese | c9743e2 | 2002-12-10 23:14:04 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 130 | current applied to the batteries. The higher the input voltage, the hotter |
| 131 | this IC gets. Don't use an input voltage above 12V. |
| 132 | Using lower charging voltage < 10V will slow down the charging. But the |
| 133 | rockbox charging algorithm should work then, too. |
| 134 | |
| 135 | These are the output voltages of an original archos power supply: |
| 136 | - connected to AJB Recorder, not charging: 13,7 Volt |
| 137 | - connected to AJB Recorder, charging: going down to 10,4 Volt |
| 138 | |
| 139 | Here is how changing the input voltage changes the charging current: |
| 140 | |
| 141 | voltage charging current (limited only by the AJB) |
| 142 | ------------------------------------------------------ |
| 143 | 7,0V 10 mA |
| 144 | 7,5V 30 mA |
| 145 | 8,0V 50 mA |
| 146 | 8,5V 70 mA |
| 147 | 9,0V 140 mA |
| 148 | 9,5V 250 mA |
| 149 | 10,0V 330 mA |
| 150 | 10,5V 350 mA |
| 151 | 11,0V 350 mA |
| 152 | 11,5V 350 mA |
| 153 | 12,0V 350 mA |
| 154 | |
| 155 | To summarize: |
| 156 | |
| 157 | - do not use an input voltage > 12V |
| 158 | - optimal input voltage is 10V (regulated) |
| 159 | - use a fuse of ~600mA |
| 160 | - using a different charger voids your warrenty |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 161 | |
| 162 | Many people are happy using an external quick charger which |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 163 | is specified to work with NiMH batteries. This is completely safe |
| 164 | and will not void your warranty. |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 165 | |
| 166 | Q11: Can I buy a replacement charger exactly as the one Archos shipped? |
| 167 | A11: The FAQ on the Archos web site and the top of the charger both read: |
| 168 | |
| 169 | Output: 9VDC 600mA |
| 170 | Center positive (+) polarity |
Heikki Hannikainen | ed04872 | 2002-08-21 20:54:20 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 171 | |
| 172 | The universal travel charger sold separately on the Archos web site |
| 173 | is specified for 12VDC, 1200mA output. |
| 174 | |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 175 | Chargers with similar (or user-adjustable) properties are available |
| 176 | at shops selling consumer electronics. |
| 177 | |
Robert Hak | 019203b | 2002-08-21 10:36:05 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 178 | Q12: I often need to stop my player for about 15 minutes or so, and when I do |
| 179 | it runs off it's batteries. I was wondering, which is best: shutting the |
| 180 | player down completely and rebooting it when I want to listen again, or |
| 181 | leaving the unit on? Which way does it draw more power? |
| 182 | A12: In our testing we found the following results: |
| 183 | HDD off, LED off, idle 94 mA |
| 184 | HDD off, LED off, play 97 mA |
| 185 | HDD off, LED on, idle 129 mA |
| 186 | HDD off, LED on, play 131 mA |
| 187 | HDD on, LED on, play 230 mA |
| 188 | HD on, reading, LED off ~ 600 mA |
| 189 | HD spin up before read max 800 mA |
| 190 | |
Heikki Hannikainen | 002c4a4 | 2002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 191 | So leaving the unit on and paused consumes ~100mA, and thus much less |
| 192 | than needing to reboot the unit. Your mileage may vary. |
| 193 | |
Daniel Stenberg | 1436b10 | 2002-08-27 11:59:01 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 194 | Q13: When I plug in the charger when the Recorder is turned off, it turns |
| 195 | itself on and starts charging in the Archos software? What's up? |
Heikki Hannikainen | 002c4a4 | 2002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 196 | A13: There is a switch in the DC IN jack of the Jukebox - when a charger (or |
| 197 | whatever) is plugged in, the unit is powered on, even if the charger |
| 198 | is not plugged in a mains outlet. |
| 199 | |
| 200 | If the charger is providing power at this point, the Archos firmware |
| 201 | located on the FLASH ROM does not load a new firmware version (like |
| 202 | Rockbox) from the disk, but goes into charging mode instead. You can |
| 203 | use this feature to get to the Archos charger if you want to. |
Daniel Stenberg | 1436b10 | 2002-08-27 11:59:01 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 204 | |
| 205 | Q14: When I plug the charger in my Recorder, it doesn't immediately start |
| 206 | charging the batteries! |
| 207 | A14: When Rockbox is running on the Recorder (the device has been booted |
Heikki Hannikainen | 002c4a4 | 2002-08-21 12:27:02 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 208 | without the charger) it's power management code runs once per minute |
| 209 | (thus the charge level and charging status is only updated every minute). |
| 210 | If the battery is not full, it will start charging. If the 'deep |
| 211 | discharge' mode is enabled in the settings menu, it will start charging |
| 212 | only when the battery is almost empty. |
Heikki Hannikainen | 1198d37 | 2002-08-29 06:34:03 +0000 | [diff] [blame] | 213 | |
| 214 | Q15: What about the memory effect? Should I be worried about it or not? |
| 215 | A15: That depends on who you ask. ;-) NiMH sellers say NiMHs are better and |
| 216 | do not have a memory effect, but the usual opinion seems to be that |
| 217 | they do, although it is very small. |
| 218 | |
| 219 | However, if you use your AJB connected to the charger all the time, |
| 220 | we recommend you to use the deep discharge option. |